LYING WONDERS : Rick Joyner Traveling In The Heavenlies

RICK JOYNER IS IN A LEAGUE ALL BY HIMSELF! HIS DEMONIC WORLD HAS ENTRAPPED A MULTITUDE OF UNDISCERNING SOULS. One of his major books is entitled,“The Final Quest”. I think it should be labeled “The Final Lie”. It is absolutely the biggest collection of “ultimate lies” from demons and devils that I have ever reviewed in a book that claims christianity. This book can deceive no one unless they have first been mesmerized by these last day deceptions. The content is so ridiculous and far-fetched that believing it reveals an altered state of religious deception. Remember, that to be “mesmerized” simply means “an altered state of consciousness.” The final religion of the Antichrist is sorcery and witchcraft and the spirit of this darkness has already taken deep root in the church world. I have adapted a review of this book for this Salty Saints. The text from his book will be highlighted to help you follow it carefully.

Rick Joyner is one of the most bold and haughty of the New Wave false prophets. He is so taken with himself that he believes his own lies and elevates himself with a dark sense of his own importance. Let’s look at his descent into necromancy (communication with the dead) that he freely expresses in this book. He completely ignores the Biblical warning about NECROMANCY. “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-11) To follow a Necromancer is to sell your soul to the devil.

Mr. Joyner supposedly goes to heaven and meets all the greats of Biblical revelation. Listen as he, according to his book, meets the Apostle Paul. “I then felt compelled to look at those who were sitting on the thrones we were passing. As I did, my gaze fell upon a man whom I knew was the apostle Paul. As I looked back at the Lord, He motioned for me to speak to him. I have so looked forward to this I said, feeling awkward but excited by this meeting. I know that you are aware of just how much your letters have guided the church, and they are probably still accomplishing more than all the rest of us put together. You are still one of the greatest lights on the earth.”

(PAUL) “Thank you, he said graciously. But you do not understand just how much we have looked forward to meeting you. You are a soldier in the last battle; you are the ones whom everyone here is waiting to meet. We only saw these days dimly through our limited prophetic vision, but you have been chosen to live in them. You are a soldier preparing for the last battle. You are the ones for whom we are all waiting. (RICK) Still feeling awkward, I continued, But there is no way that I can convey the appreciation that we feel for you, and all who helped to set our course with their lives and their writings. I also know that we will have an eternity for exchanging our appreciation, so please, while I am here, let me ask, What would you say to my generation that will help us in this battle?”

(PAUL) “I can only say to you now what I have already said to you through my writings. I would have you to understand them better by knowing that I fell short of all that I was called to do, Paul stated, looking me resolutely in the eyes.(RICK) But you are here, in one of the greatest thrones. You are still reaping more fruit for eternal life than any of us could ever hope to reap, I protested. (PAUL) By the grace of God I was able to finish my course, but I still did not walk in all that I was called to. I fell short of the highest purposes that I could have walked in. Everyone has. I know that some think that is blasphemy to think of me as anything less than the greatest example of Christian ministry, but I was being honest when I wrote near the end of my life that I was the greatest of sinners. I was not saying that I have been the greatest of sinners, but that I was the greatest of sinners then. I had been given so much to understand, and I walked in so little of it.’” (The Final Quest, Rick Joyner, Morning Star Publications, 1996, pp. 131-132.)

It is easy to see that the spirit of which Rick Joyner was controlled with in this conversation was a deceiving, lying spirit from Satan. Everything about this conversation is deceptive and false. Mr. Joyner sees himself in such an exalted position that the Apostle Paul is treated condescendingly. To belittle the Words of God given to the Apostle Paul serves only to elevate himself and his colleagues as being much more obedient and in touch with God than the men who wrote the Word of God. It is so blatant and false as to be laughable if he were not serious. He quoted the Apostle Paul as saying, “But you do not understand just how much we have looked forward to meeting you.” Anybody who believes in conversations from necromancy has a serious problem, but those that believe Apostle Paul said this about an apostate like Rick Joyner needs a heart transformation..

Let us weigh the testimony of Apostle Paul to one of the statements quoted above. Mr. Joyner quotes this voice he heard which he called the apostle saying, “By the grace of God I was able to finish my course, but I still did not walk in all that I was called to. I fell short of the highest purposes that I could have walked in. I know that some think this is blasphemy to think of me as anything less than the greatest example of Christian ministry, but I was being honest when I wrote near the end of my life that I was the greatest of sinners. I was not saying that I have been the greatest of sinners, but that I was the greatest of sinners then. I had been given so much to understand, and I walked in so little of it.” (Ibid, p. 132.) Joyner’s purpose is to elevate the words that he writes above the Infallible Word written by the Holy Ghost. We are clearly dealing with a man that has blasphemed the Holy Ghost.

What Mr. Joyner stated and what the Apostle Paul said is totally different. Here are the Words of God spoken by the Holy Ghost. “I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.” (II Timothy 4:7-8). When Apostle Paul spoke of his having been the chiefest of sinners, he was speaking of the past, not his state of sinfulness when he penned those words. Again, Mr. Joyner seems to see himself as a revisionist of Holy Scripture, making it fit his false revelations.

The Occultic Trance! Mr. Joyner confesses that this book is basically a result of trances he experienced. A Biblical trance experienced by people in the Bible is totally different from occultic trances, which are nothing but the devil’s imitations. A Biblical trance was a place of great inspiration where the person, in full control of himself, received beautiful revelations from the Lord. An occultic trance is an altered state of consciousness when foreign spirits take control. Let’s allow Mr. Joyner to speak from his book about this matter “The visions contained in this book all began with a dream. Some of it came under a very intense sense of the presence of the Lord, but the overwhelming majority was received in some level of a trance. Most of it came on the level where I was still conscious of my surroundings, and could even interact with them, such as answering the phone. When they were interrupted, or when things got so intense that I would have to get up and walk around, when I sat back down I would immediately be right back where I had left off. Once the experience became so intense that I actually got up and left the mountain cabin where I go to seek the Lord, and drove home. Over a week later I returned and almost immediately I was right back where I left off.” (Ibid, p. 11.)

Mr. Joyner gives absolutely no Bible support for any of these trances. In fact, it is clear that the whole book would fit in a New Age bookstore or in a wizard’s library perfectly. Connected to these trances, Joyner gives five levels of the prophetic revelation or trances again with no genuine support from the Word of God. Here are his five levels, as stated in The Final Quest

FIRST LEVEL: “There are many levels of prophetic revelation. The beginning levels include prophetic ‘impressions.’ These are genuine revelations. They can be extraordinarily specific and accurate when interpreted by those who are experienced.

SECOND LEVEL: “Visions can come on the impression level, also. They are gentle and must be seen with ‘the eyes of our heart.’ These, too, can be very specific and accurate, especially when received and/or interpreted by those who are experienced.” (Ibid, p. 10.)

THIRD LEVEL: “The next level of revelation is a conscious sense of the presence of the Lord, or the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which gives special illumination to our minds. This often comes when I am writing, or speaking, and it gives me much greater confidence in the importance or accuracy of what I am saying. I believe that this was probably experienced by the apostles as they wrote the New Testament epistles.” (Ibid, p. 10.)

FOURTH LEVEL! “’Open visions’ occur on a higher level then impressions; they tend to give us more clarity than we may have even when we feel the conscious presence of the Lord, or the anointing. Open visions are external, and are viewed with the clarity of a movie screen. Because they cannot be controlled by us I believe that there is far less possibility of mixture in revelations that come this way. (Ibid, p. 10.)

FIFTH LEVEL: “Another higher level prophetic experience is a trance, such as Peter had when he was first instructed to go the house of Cornelius and preach the gospel to the Gentiles for the first time, and such as Paul had when he prayed in the temple in Acts 22. Trances were a common experience of the biblical prophets. Trances are like dreaming when you are awake. Instead of just seeing a ‘screen’ like in an open vision, you feel like you are in the movie, that you are actually there in a strange way.” (Ibid, p. 11.) Mr Joyner gives nothing of Scripture to support these supposed experiences with the Holy Spirit, but his imagination.

Rick Joyner Attacks Bible Believers! Joyner’s chief purpose in this book is to attack anyone that discerns or believes the Bible to be infallible and who is willing to defend truth to the end. Part One is entitled “The Hordes of Hell Are Marching.” His total description of this company, which he names as “the hordes of hell,” cannot be anyone other than those refusing to believe the “new revelations” he is proclaiming. If you believe that the Scripture should judge his visions and prophecies, then his description of you is quite vivid. Every one of these false prophets spend maximum time warning against disagreeing with them. We are the hordes of hell because we believe the Bible alone to understand Truth

First, here are his opening remarks. “The demonic army was so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost divisions marched under the banners of Pride, Self-righteousness, Respectability, Selfish-Ambition, Unrighteous Judgment, and Jealousy. There were many more of these evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but those in the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell seemed to be the most powerful. The leader of this army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself.” (Ibid, p. 16.) Do you get the picture that you and I must not reject him for our rejection of this man’s foolishness makes us accusers of the brethren?

Then, he gave his opinion of this army and what their resistance was meant to accomplish. “This army was marching specifically against the church, but it was attacking everyone that it could. I knew that it was seeking to pre-empt a coming move of God which was destined to sweep masses of people into the church.” (Ibid, p. 17.) Mr. Joyner goes further to describe how the people he was fighting with were filthy and slime-ridden by some imaginary vultures that were riding his enemies. He even calls the true anointing of the Holy Ghost on these Bible-believing Christians “slime.” Notice his words. “Even worse than the vomit from the vultures was a repulsive slime that these demons were urinating and defecating upon the Christians they rode. This slime was the pride, selfish ambition, etc., that was the nature of their division. However, this slime made the Christians feel so much better, than the condemnation, Now they easily believed that the demons were messengers of God, and they actually thought this slime was the anointing of the Holy Spirit.” (Ibid, p. 21.)

The one and only answer to this false book is the Word of God and the true anointing of the Holy Ghost. You will always find Satan fighting against that which he fears. Many years ago the Lord inspired my heart to understand that the only antidote to error is truth and the only power that darkness cannot tolerate is light. This is why Rick Joyner in this book attacks the final words of the Holy Bible and the true anointing of the Holy Ghost. This kind of fanciful imagination sounds so foolish and childish. But this is the language of superstition and it is loved by unconverted but religious people. Jesus said, “And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.” (John 10:4-5)

The Beautiful Realm Of Darkness! The third section of this book takes the reader into the realm of the false beauty of occultism. It is entitled, “The Return of the Eagles.” The wild fantasy of this episode is probably fascinating to anyone that has become caught up into the mysterious world of “New Wave” Charismatics. Giant eagles appear and Joyner tells how exciting it was to interact with these intelligent creatures. He asked one question that shows something of their character. “’Where did you come from?’ I asked.” (Ibid, p. 59.) Here’s the answer he received. “We eat snakes, the eagle replied. The enemy is bread for us. Our substance comes from doing the Father’s will, which is to destroy the works of the devil. Every snake that we eat helps to increase our vision. Every stronghold of the enemy that we tear down strengthens us so we can soar higher and stay in the air longer. We have just come from a feast, devouring the serpents of Shame who have bound many of your brothers and sisters. They will be here soon. They are coming with the eagles we left behind to help them find the way, and to protect them from the enemy’s counterattacks.’” (Ibid, pp. 59-60.)

Can you imagine a creature of God that increases its wisdom by eating snakes? This clearly reveals that the nature of these eagles was the nature of a demon. Now, the eagle reveals to Joyner that he was a man whom he had formerly known, but had been changed to their present expression. The eagle shows him a door that was a shortcut to some great level of spiritual attainment. Joyner now enters that door. Here are his words. “The glory that I behold was so stunning that I immediately fell to my knees. The gold, silver and precious stones were far more beautiful than can be described. They actually reveled the glory of the Tree of Life. The room was so large that it seemed to be without end. The floor was silver, the pillars, gold, and the ceiling was a single pure diamond that reflected every color I had ever known and many that I had not known. Angels without number were all around, dressed in different robes and uniforms that were of no earthly origin.”

“As I began to walk through the room, the angels all bowed in salute. One stepped forward and welcomed my by name. He explained that I could go anywhere and see anything that I wanted in the room. Nothing was withheld from those who came through the door. I was so overwhelmed by the beauty that I could not even speak. I finally remarked that this was even more beautiful than the Garden had been. Surprised, the angel responded, ‘This is the Garden! This is one of the rooms in your Father’s house. We are your servants.’ “As I walked, a great company of angels followed me.” (Ibid, p. 67-68.) Within this room, Joyner describes what he calls beautiful stones and jewels. Here is a description of one of those stones as described by him. “Then my eyes fell on a beautiful green stone. ‘What does that one have in it?’ I asked the angel standing nearby. All of these stones are the treasures of salvation. You are now touching the heavenly realm, and that one is the restoration of life,’ he continued. As I touched the green stone I began to see the earth in rich and spectacular colors. They grew in richness the longer I had my hand on the stone, and my love for all that I saw also grew. Then I began to see a harmony between all living things on a level that I had never seen before. Then I began to see the glory of the Lord in the creation. It began to grow until again I had to step away because of the intensity.” (Ibid, p. 68-69.).

Ezekiel gives a picture of Satan and his created fascination with jewels and beautiful things. “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” (Ezekiel 28:13-14). Certainly, Satan has not lost his paranormal powers to lure men with his beauty and with promises of religious glory.

Conclusion! I would like to believe that no professing christian could be taken by such wild speculation. One of Satan’s tools to lure men has always been a fanciful attachment to the imagination. While a pure imagination is certainly wonderful, one that has left the sure guide of Biblical truth and wisdom is equally dangerous. The occultic world of Dungeons & Dragons is no different from this book,

The Final Quest. It fits the mythology of ancient paganism perfectly and has all the elements of Satan’s lying wonders. Persons already intrigued by Rick Joyner are not likely to do less than heap scorn on me and on this article. It is really written to warn anyone that will listen to stay clear of anything that is not flooded with Biblical truth. The Bible has never been more important. It has all the truth that you need to steer a pure course to the joy of salvation and to the eternal city of God.

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26 thoughts on “LYING WONDERS : Rick Joyner Traveling In The Heavenlies

  1. When the apostle Paul was taken up into the third heaven, he was not allowed to speak of it.
    Yet, so many nowadays christians have so called “visitations of heaven or hell”.
    Would God change His mind? I don’t think so.Why do people always talk with Paul when they have visions of heaven? Why never Daniel,Isaiah or Ezechiel?
    Some people have a lot of fantasy, write books and label it” visions given by God”.
    I once read a book by Rick Warren.Didn’t even finnish it.
    Paul would have said”we’ve been looking forward meeting you?”
    According to Eclesiastes 9: 5-6 “the dead know nothing”.
    Why should Paul want to meet Rick Warren?
    Seems to me that Warren thinks very hogh of himself.

  2. Dear brother Joseph,
    what type of heavenly experiences have you personally had?. The Lord Jesus says clearly that HE will reveal the FATHER and HIMSELF to whosoever HE wills. The pure in heart shall see GOD.When?
    after the death of our physical bodies? well it doesnt say this! So unless you have personal experiences of a similar nature you are not entitled to pass judgement on a fellow believer.
    What does it mean “in the last days HE will pour out HIS SPIRIT on all flesh”? it will certainly produce visions we have never hoped possible. Anyway all the devil does is what he saw in heaven and has just corrupted it for his own benefit.
    GOD bless you
    Markus Goeldi

  3. Hello Pastor Joseph.

    Again, thanks for educating us on yet another collection of the wild beliefs and statements coming from a supposed Christian leader. The main problem is what I’ve been saying for years: Scriptural illiteracy! If a person doesn’t know the truth they can hardly recognize the lie, can they?

    Here is a little Bible Study that can help in a case like this.

    How many know that Satan doesn’t have to look scaly, reptilian, and monstrous as is commonly thought, but that he and his servants can appear to be angelic and benign? They would if they read 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

    Or what about trying to communicate with the dead? Read 1 Samuel 28:3-25, 31:1-6. Did this action save King Saul?

    I think the biblical prohibitions of necromancy extend not just to obviously occult activities along these lines, but include the practice of praying to Mary or anyone else to “intercede” on one’s behalf to Jesus or God the Father. The Bible teaches we have one way to the Father (John 14:6,13) and one advocate only (1 John 2:1) – Jesus Christ!

    Now the question becomes will you believe the Bible which was inspired by the Holy Spirit himself or the claims or doctrines created by purely human invention?

  4. Thank you so much for your report on Joyner. I know he is deceiving many people. I’ve been studying the Bible many years and one day Joyner was on tv and I listened to him for a while. I knew he was a wolf in sheep’s clothing because of my knowledge of the Word. I recognize the Truth when I hear it and Joyner was not speaking the Truth. We need to have the whole armor of God to protect us from these evil forces.

  5. Thank You Brother Joseph for the TRUTH which is needed more now than ever before I pray that this will open the eyes and hearts of those who are deceived and do not know it and that they will seek the Truth…as Our Lord says He is the way,the truth and the Life….Repent and seek the Lord with all your heart and soul…Our Lord is merciful and His Grace is sufficient for those who seek Him …He will open your eyes and you will be able to see and know the Truth….Praise Your Name on High Lord Jesus…Shalom Jerusalem….

  6. Dear Pastor,

    1 cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. KJV

    Perhaps Rick was given a glimpse of the evil army of Armageddon. Just heard a former Satanist talked the same way as Rick J, describing how he was chosen. He fortunately realized he was chosen for destruction and has since repented and accepted Jesus.

    Amen Pastor We know his voice; i believe in Jesus.

    Thanks for the warning, truly wacky theology, it will save me the pain of reading his books.
    We pray Rick Joyner will repent as well.

    God Bless

  7. Dear Pastor Chambers,
    Well done !!! This is exactly what we need to be doing right now ; warning true believers to stay away from the likes of Joyner and their heretical garbage they call revelation.
    As soon as I read this book years ago alarm bells went off. It should be the same with anyone thats truly saved and indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
    And yes, we are to judge fellow believers if they are believing or spreading apostasy or blasphemy like Joyner is. THE BIBLE TELLS US TO.
    Thank you again !

  8. very astute observations, Ed Wood ~ and I so agree!

    Pastor Joseph, I read YOUR part of this article, but could not bring myself to read all the false parts by Joyner — just don’t care to even put that into my mind!! Does it not bother you to read the false stuff — even for the sake of “studying” it to be able to point out the fallacies to others? Merely asking out of concern — don’t want the blatent lies sticking to your subconscious either.

  9. Dear Preacher Chambers,Please send me a copy of this artical by way of e-mail,so I can print it please.Pastor Jerry Atkins

  10. To Ed Wood: Very well said. My husband and I continue to be baffled by the amount of people who put their faith in man. It seems that today people do not test these false teachers by the Bible as we are told to do.
    God Bless

  11. I was about to state the very thing that Frida said. She is on target. No one has the right to go beyond what the great Apostle Paul experienced. His was part of the Canon of the NT. So, you are right in your evaluation of Rick Joyner. I don’t understand why Christians can’t simply live by the Word of God. It is the complete Revelation of God through Jesus Christ. One other thing: the individual that spoke of seeing God. The Bible clearly states, “no man can see God and live.” “We see through a glass darkly, but then (in our immortal state) face to face.”
    God bless you brother. Keep defending the faith!

  12. Thank you so much for the expose. Thank God for ministers like you who put the search light of
    God’s word on people like this.
    There is such a restlessness among God’s people and I abmonish people in my ministry everywhere.
    See if it lines up to the word of God!
    Thank’s again for the work you are doing for the Kingdom.

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  14. A church I was in had a member that was spreading this trash around the flock. He even had me read this book “Final Quest” and I must admit that it pulls the reader in like a bug-zapper pulls in bugs. My “red flags” kept going up yet I kept ingesting this candy-coated poison. THANK GOD He delivered me from it.

    Well, I warned the pastor about this couple, and their daughter (a worship leader), spreading false doctrines like Joyner’s throughout the church. But instead of taking heed to the warning, he invited them into the church leadership. That was a very sad year for me. Today they still have their “bible” studies in peoples homes (something about Pastor Cho’s “How to Enter the 5th Dimension”) but now their bible studies are restricted to a select few “chosen” sheeple.

    I’m still hurt by this because this church started on the right track and became family to me. I watched it sinking into this pit of false doctrine and the leaders (except for me) simply embraced it. I ended up leaving that church for a larger, more doctrinally sound church.

    But yes, that Rick Joyner book (actually books) are very deceptive, very seducing, and very poisonous to a Christian.

  15. I would just like to let ufo know how much I learn from your website Bookmarked book , be back fast for some more good articles,

  16. Thanks to R.J. and Donna Byrd. It amazes me as well that so many who call themselves Christians just won’t put in the time to study the Bible.

    In the 8th Century B.C. Hosea noted exactly the same kind of problem with the ancient Israelite religious establishment:

    “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou has rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” Hosea 4:6

    And if the priesthood of that time was ignorant, where did that leave the people they were supposed to teach and lead?

    How little things have changed in over 2700 years!

  17. Thank you again Pastor Chambers for all your
    dilligent study and research, your prayers, your
    evident love and concern for the Body of Christ and
    your passion, devotion and love of our Awesome
    God!!! Let this powerful expose be a reminder to all
    to keep Pastor Chambers in our prayers along with
    his precious wife and family. Satan particularly targets
    any and all who stand up for Truth, and tells it like it
    is…thus advancing the Kingdom of God in these last
    and evil days!

    Also, my dear brothers and sisters, let’s bless him practically
    by giving an offering to help eliminate the worry and concern
    I’m sure it must be to keep up the website, Open Bible
    Dialogue and the cost of printing and sending out articles
    to any and all who request them. Again, if you have been
    encouraged, blessed, touched by his ministry, show your love
    today, give if you can, allowing him to continue his ministry and
    bringing glory and honor and praise to our magnificent God!
    Praying that we will take your breath away, Pastor, with an outpouring
    of love to you today, IN JESUS NAME!!! Love to all, Sheree Price

  18. As soon as I started reading what this dude supposedly said in heaven to Paul on a throne lol It just goes to show what praying to spirits of the dead affords to a person./religion.I instantly saw where he was given over to his god.
    Thank God for leaving us His Word,and His Spirit with us and for giving us such a great gift of discerning of spirits.
    I have to read the entire article,it is long and I have an appt. But again I have great insight and a great gift of revelation knowledge.
    Thank you Brother for exposing end times deceptions.and by this we know the end is ever so close.Closer then we can imagine. Ric k Warren HA,I had an e-mail from someone stating he was called of God to be THE END TIME PROPHET. Then he said,do you think God has a bunch of prophets running around? I said and God chose and called you to be THE LAST DAY PROPHET to Reach Billions? Wow,this is amazing.Needles to say,I exhorted & rebuked him and warned him not to contact me again .
    I tell this because it is everywhere in these last days.Beware Body of Christ.

  19. Dear Pastor Chambers: Thank you for the information. It seems that the so called “Paul” would like to endorse the doctrine of eternal security or once saved always saved. I am not sure whether “he” endorses the “purpose driven” teachings also as the word “purposes” is used by this “Paul”.

    In Christ,

    E.S.A. Raj

  20. Dear “Salty,”

    I was born again in the “Word of Faith” movement. Grew up on the words of these ministers. My Ex-wife and ex-associate pastor traveled to Mr. Joyners campus to have him intrepret their dreams. He informed them that she was to leave her husband and be bound to her new “soul-partner.” He told them that I was going to die and they were to carry on the ministry. I have since gathered the truth about these type movements and have clung to the Truth of His written word. I did not physically die but I did learn to die to self and put Jesus in the prominent place in my heart. I did greive for the loss of my mate and my friend and yes they are now following the orders of the International House of Prayer. (Mike Bickel) I pray that people like you will continue to represent the Truth against such a vile, despicible movement like these men represent. It’s only the REAL TRUTH that will set us free.

  21. To Markus:
    Please read Deut. 13. It clearly tells us not to follow people like Joyner. “Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.” In verse 14 “Then shalt thou ENQUIRE. and make SEARCH, and ask DILIGENTLY; and, behold, IF IT BE TRUTH, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;” To prove by God’s Holy Word whether it is truth.
    You ask, what does it mean “in the last days he will pour out his spirit on all flesh”, not visions,but to witness to the lost that they might be saved.

  22. It shows how well you understand this subject. Bookmarked this page,thanks god someone that actually knows what they are talking about – thank you!2